Posts by Klaus Vollmer

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JW DF'd Over UN Issue Commends Silentlambs

by FreePeace in

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below is an e-mail i received from a former sister in the pacific northwest.

she was df'd several months ago for discovering and asking about the un controversy.

being rather inexperienced with the internet, she stumbled onto freeminds.org (i believe) and printed out info on the wts's un connection.

Klaus Vollmer

its always the same story: there is a name from the GB and all bow their knees before that kind of god who gives advices with the demand to be the great adviser.
When you look back into history you see that also those men from ivory tower were wrong and now when they are dead they are eaten up by worms like others too.
I dont beleive that they play on the cellenial harp.
If god is merciful he will redemm them. but beware: their responsibility is greater than the one from file aand ranks.

sorry to the experience our this jw has made, sorry that life of a young person is rubbed out by stiff tradition.

the time comes, where jws will roaor aloud and the ivory towers will break into peaces. Concrete heads never had perspektives. they are bald in know how and narrow minded in human touch.

I cant eat as much as I want to spit onto brooklyn bridge

11

JW RAPE

by crawdad2 in

the 16 yr old girl get's raped by a 26 yr old ministerial servant,.

so she goes to the elders about it.. the elders arrange a judicial committe meeting and listen to both sides of the story......... then they go to a room for five minutes and come back, and tell her that they are going to privately reprove both of them.........."furious", she asks what she is being reproved for, and they say "fornication".. they remind both of them to not gossip about it or tell anyone.. because it will bring reproach on jehovahs organization.. the girl, then goes to other elders, and appeals the elders decision, and complains that she got raped!!!

!.....she gets another committe meeting,,,,,they quickly come to the same decision and warn her to keep quiet,,,,,,,she goes to other elders.....they promise to help her...they believe her, ...days go by.........months go by...........she is in a meeting when they announce that brother rapist has been given a part on the assembly.........everyone claps........she goes back to the elders asking them how it is that he just got a part on the assembly, when he just raped her............they start reminding her to be submissive to the lead or they will take action,.....she can't keep quiet........they anounce that she has been reproved.........she starts speaking out against the whole body of elders,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,bingo, she is disfellowshipped for apostacy, and there is no value to her claims at all,,,,,,,,she was just an apostate fornicater, trying to smear a nice brother.....

Klaus Vollmer

what a story, what a thing

those elders are really protecting the flock before raped girls.
a raped girl has no value, seems nothing worth to be protected and the flock needs examples.
as there were no 2 witnesses it is logical that the girl is wrong.
why disfellowhsipping a qualified young man?
1 ms less means more work for the elders.
a girl cannot serve. and being raped means she is no clean virgin.
what a male thinking this underlines
I guess in this congregation the women march 3 steps behind the men with the daughters while the men walk ahead with the sons.
how equal and righteous is life over there?
send the lawyers and legal consultants to desert. may they excommunicate the dingos and cojotes for howling to much.
as persecution does not come by governments they make it by own tactics.
what a disqualified couple of men. I t seems they are castrated and sing now the high "C" in the choir of mad dog doctrines.

5

LIES from JR Brown- He should be DF for lying

by Cappuccino OC in

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i thougth the wts only spoke with the truth?

then why did jr brown lie???

does he need the telephone number from 7 elders all in good standing, one my uncle & another my brother?.

Klaus Vollmer

I remember that the WTS over more than 60 years has condemned the former branch officer in Germany BALZEREIT as someone who has falsified Rutherfords letter to Mr. Hitler, the chancellor of the German Reich.
For that Rutherford excommunicated BALZEREIT. And after WW2, the dead of Rutherford, also the President Knorr confirmed the excommunication.
BALZEREIT got the image of an arrogant ass. Everybody witnessed worse things about him.
IN a 1998 Awake (Theme Holocaust) BALZEREIT by WTS was declared not guilty.

But who in 1998 knew BALZEREIT? Who got the experience with all that mud which was thrown against him. Like Goebbels the nazi propaganda minister they did it - throwing mud because a little always keeps on hanging.

Today we know that all accusations were wrong. Interesting is, that this fact is stated from people who were not present in the past.

So we see - WTS has good experience in shaping approaches, in forming utterances. they are like fishes. You cant hold them in hand.
but the fisher yet knows to get them. I hope there are many fishers.

JR Brown is more victim than Prosecutor. What does he have when he leaves bethel? I guess nothing. So he sings the song of those who feed him.

I miss an upstanding by WTS and a public declaration that they OFTEN made things wrong. And they should name them. But I guess before that Africa would become Antarctica.

Humility must only be present by the low one. Ivory towers dont need that adjective, don't they?

11

JW Elder Responds to Dateline

by Kay Francis in

i sent out notices to many individuals stating that they should watch dateline and do some further investigation after watching it.

here's one of the responses i received:.

after watching the dateline show, there really is no need for any "investigation".

Klaus Vollmer

this info reached me by a friend from TN:
Good Morning, well for me anyway. It looks like yesterdays shows
created a stir at the local JW congregation, because already at 5 am
this morning lights were on and cars in the parking lot and they're
still there it's 10 am now.

Winchester was stired up - I guess others too?

16

Letter Read at service meeting

by scary_goat2000 in

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letter was read at the meeting tonight during the service meeting.

probably because of the dateline thing.. several points brought out, cant remember them all:.

1) sexual abuse is bad.

Klaus Vollmer

congratulation chester, you need patience.

the jar goes to the well until it breaks.
you cant eat as much as you want to spit out.

they betrayed us and betray us, without repenting.
I feel hurted again and again by those lawyers orientated leaders.
the Egyptian way is comfortable, indeed

11

CHILD ABUSE and spousal abuse too !!!

by QUEENIE in

wow this is getting bigger when you add on physical abuse, emotional and mental abuse...and how about elder abuse along with spousal abuse---weeeeelll what about it folks and there is also abuse of pets too

Klaus Vollmer

heard that some abuse the branchholes in the forest....

better that than human beings

65

Watchtower Media preps for Dateline!

by Dogpatch in

watchtower spin doctors!.

dr. gail bethea-jackson tells us that we didn't know what child abuse was 18-20 years ago.

gag on this one!.

Klaus Vollmer

Gail is a lovely name, in German it means phonetic to be horny ;)

so you come to the conclusion you need horny people for horny results.

I guess already the old cultures like Greece and Rome had their perverted sex practices with children.
But I think in 1. Kor. 6:9,10 you read not that child molesters come into the kingdom only those who do it with men or do some adultery.
maybe that some clever guys behind the glance of the WT got stupid and started to desire children instead of women or male partners.
the human soul can be very different.
and I remember that in the mid-seventies WT wrote a lot of BS regarding oral sex, motivating theocratical women to accuse their hubs of porneia. Franz wrote there about in his book.
So I come to the conclusion, WT has always what to say, but cannot say it at the proper time in the proper manner. They need some "MASTER PROPER" to clean the lense they are speculating.
Its a scandal that regarding child molesters they protected those while the victims were sent to hell. And now they are cleaning their face.

Farkel yes, I never read that they apologized for anything. Regarding wrong teachings the said "at that time the brothers believed...." eg The pyramid story or 1925.
Only in the yearbook I guess 1980 or 1982 about on page 30 or 32 they agreed that they have some guilt to regarding 1975.
But how less did read this phrase in the yb while millions of WTs were spread.

it must be a shism to explain that the "divine channel" is wrong. And about the past they dont talk because than they should DF Rutherford and Co, some guy who dont play the heavenly harp´I guess.

So I recognize they are on their way to become a wordly religion. They find their way to egypt -trying to get public financial support like in Germany where they try since more than 10 year to become a church. That target made them change some doctrines - elections in schools, civil service instead of military service etc.
And nowadays they call themselves RELIGION, granny Rutherford would have shit on that situation and burn down beth sarim.

There is no business like show business. I see a great (.) arive over Brooklyn and leaving there a big heap.

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UK & IRELAND MAP

by ballistic in

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i had an idea that i could build a uk map of everyones location which would show you instantly who is in your area from jwd.. (it might be an idea to do a seperate us one aswell but i'll wait and see if this one takes off first, or if anyone from the us wants to volunteer to do that one).

(and australia but you are all in the same backyard anyway - literally!!!).

anyway, all you have to do is post or email me your username and town and i will draw you on the map above which will change gradually to include everyone!.

Klaus Vollmer

I am fixed on Jersey but that does not exist on that map.
Jersey is not French and beside that also a good fashion

22

Pedophilia -- WT Coverup?

by accuracy in

the following, from the watchtower magazine of january 1, 1997, does not support the idea that the wts is a "pedophile's paradise.

" the wts also pointedly spoke out against pedophilia over 9 years ago in the awake!

magazine of october 8, 1993. for the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation.

Klaus Vollmer

the practice of judicial committees in absence of any public is surely wrong.the jews and early christians had it public, open for everyone. there was given the chance of many witnesses who felt involved or knowing something.
today the JC's are a fake as 3 men are accusers and the "sinner" has no chance. or does he?
and the wise counsel "contact the 'legal department' is , of course , logical a revelation of a society that searches opportunities.
Opportunists always look for their chances - not for chances of a person.
the latest letter to the BOE shows a 180° change as they say molestion is a crime and the elders may not hold back anyone to go to the police. But I'm sure - as the order is given to call the legal department, that this recommend is only a Wolga-village and the legal department depends on silence is golden.
how many sacrified children have been put on this altar of silence while the evildoers are in their honored position?
Bill Bowen, I have respect in regard to your brave deeds. Barbara, I wish you further encouragement. Dont bow your knees before any of those apparatchicks. give the honor to god and keep those in mind who are 'am harez', the lowest.
There is a situation that must be understood that the slave hits his bretheren.
The bill is not too far I hope.
elders are nothing in regard to an innocent child. And an org is contraproductive when it protects molesters by demanding 2 witnesses whre never a second one is. molesters do it in absence of anyone.
hard stuff but not so hard like the life of a molested child.
is there a chance to get the video downloade - the one from dateline? here in europe this seems to be impossible

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Circuit Overseers Are Monitored- Confirmed

by metatron in

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this fact appeared as a rumor on this board some time.

ago.

i can confirm it, as i once saw it with my own eyes.. a c.o.

Klaus Vollmer

the d.o. alsways is present, even before the assembly starts. then he listens to the test of the speeches etc. so it is granted that everything runs like demanded. thats no new thing.
our c.o. pointed out that 1975 did not grow upstream but downstream. with that utterance he gave example that it was not the brotherhood that oirginally shouted out for 1975 and harmageddon. it came from Brooklyn's ivory towers.
;) sure that expression he did not say, but I guess that he doesnt like them too much.
he is a little che, but kindly, yet more and more elders reject him because of his kind to break traditions.
His wallon dialect is hard, but also heartly.
I guess he is a good man in the wrong place and the time will come he will be very much disappointed recognizing that he kept the ivory mill running. j'espere que il a des amies avec des coeur.